Monday, February 28, 2011

More recent news and conflicts over HSR from our British cousins


Here's the latest on high-speed rail in the UK.  People there aren't happy with their HSR project, just like us.  For them, it would mean about  $2600. per family to pay for it.  And, they recognize, just as we do, it's going to be an expensive train ride only for the rich.

You understand that England is densely populated, like the rest of Europe and it has a long history of passenger rail, especially since that's where it was invented.  (When you watch Sherlock Holmes on the Telly, note that they are always getting on and off trains that hoot-hoot as they trundle through the British countryside. Elementary, Watson!)  

So, that when the Brits. object to high-speed rail, it suggests that they don't object to trains in general since they depend on them, but just this one, which is outrageously expensive, especially for a country that is undergoing severe economic belt-tightening.  They use the term "white elephant" the way we say "boondoggle."

If I understand it correctly, the political situation is reversed in the UK from what it is in the States.  In the UK, it's Labor and the Liberals who oppose the train, and its the Conservatives and their corporate allies that want it.  Actually that makes more sense than what's going on in the US.  But, never mind. What ever is, is.  And, in any case, it's much less clear cut, with some Conservatives opposing it and some in Labour supporting it.  Nonetheless, all the arguments are exactly the same as ours.

The Brits. are being told that the French are beating them out and the UK will be "left behind" in this totally concocted world race to be the country most trains and the fastest ones.  Talk about Alpha-Male posturing!  And, we in the US are in it as if it was the World Series.

This is non-trivial.  That another, far more rail dependent country would object to high-speed rail for the same reasons we do here tells us that we are on the right track.  Our concerns are not idiosyncratic and unique to our local situation.

There's another article below this one.  The next one is from THE INDEPENDENT.  Our position on this is that we can learn a great deal from the success and failures of others, including from our British cousins.
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High-speed rail line 'will cost every family in the country £1,000'
By DANIEL MARTIN
Last updated at 12:34 AM on 1st March 2011

Every family in the country will have to shell out £1,000 to pay for a high-speed rail line that only the rich will use, campaigners claimed last night.

The TaxPayers’ Alliance spoke out as Transport Secretary Philip Hammond defied countryside campaigners as he launched a consultation on the hugely expensive project.

Stage one of the high speed link - known as HS2 - will run from London to Birmingham, while stage two will see links with Leeds, Manchester and Glasgow.

The cost of the scheme to Birmingham will be £17billion, while the full project will add up to some £30billion - which works out at well over £1,000 per family.

The TPA has calculated that the debt interest alone on the Government borrowing to finance a £17billion project would cost well over £700million a year.

That is nearly enough to finance the £800 million cost of taking 1p off the main rate of corporation tax in 2012/13. In the case of the full £30billion project the same figure would be £1.3billion a year.

Matthew Sinclair, director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said it was unfair for families to have to shell out so much money when only rich businessmen will use it.

‘With so much pressure on the budgets of families and businesses, it is utterly indefensible that the Government is planning on spending such an incredible amount of money on this project,’ he said.

‘There are more affordable ways of getting the capacity needed and a high speed line for the rich, on a route already served by very quick trains, can’t be the priority over giving ordinary families and firms across the country a better deal. HS2 should be cancelled.’

Launching a consultation on the proposals yesterday, Mr Hammond said the country faced a ‘once in a lifetime’ opportunity to create new jobs and prosperity.

He claimed the controversial project would deliver £44billion of benefits to the UK economy. ‘This will be one of the most extensive and potentially far-reaching government consultations in history,’ he said.

It is envisaged that 14 trains or more an hour will run on the HS2 high-speed rail project, each with up to 1,100 seats. The new HSR network could shift as many as six million air trips and nine million road trips a year to rail.

The Government argues that with long-distance services transferred to the new high-speed network, large amounts of space would be freed up on the West Coast, East Coast and Midland Main Lines, allowing for an expansion of commuter, regional and freight services.

Construction of any new network would be expected to begin around 2016, with the line to the West Midlands completed by 2026 and the legs to Manchester and Leeds finished in 2032-2033.

Last week almost 70 top bosses, including CBI director-general John Cridland and former British Airways chief executive Willie Walsh, gave their backing for HS2.

But Lizzie Williams, chairman of the Stop HS2 group, said the project is ‘a complete waste of taxpayers’ money when we can least afford it’.

And the Campaign to Protect Rural England (CPRE) described the consultation process as ‘a complete train wreck’.

Ralph Smyth, the CPRE’s senior transport campaigner, said: ‘The Government has been so focused on trying to catch up and overtake the French on high-speed rail that they have failed to ensure the public get their fair say.’

He added that the consultation amounted to ‘a single route option, which the Government has already made up its mind to favour’, that would be followed ‘by a Parliamentary petitioning procedure that has changed little since the days of 19th century railway barons’.

He went on: ‘Instead of a Punch and Judy exchange of competing claims between pros and antis, the country needs a fair, open and informed debate about HSR.’

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Protesters threaten to derail high-speed line

Ministers launch 'hearts and minds' campaign to counter deepening opposition to new rail network

By Matt Chorley and Paul Bignell
Sunday, 27 February 2011

The creation of a high-speed rail network could be worth £44bn over 60 years to the economy, ministers claim today as they launch a major "hearts and minds" campaign to counter public opposition which could threaten the entire project.

To supporters, high-speed rail will cut journey times, narrow the north-south divide and create thousands of jobs in the construction and engineering industries. To critics, it will carve a deep wound through the heart of rural England, demolishing historic monuments and buildings and wasting billions of pounds in public money that will never be recouped from ticket sales.

Philip Hammond, the Secretary of State for Transport, warns Britain "simply cannot afford to be left behind" as other major countries invest heavily in high-speed rail to slash inter-city journey times and increase inward investment.

Writing in The Independent on Sunday, he acknowledges the plan for a 109-mile line stretching initially from London to Birmingham will have "consequences for communities and environments along the route". But he insists the national benefits outweigh local concerns.

However, Mr Hammond's claims are unlikely to quell the vocal opposition to the controversial plans, as campaigners mark the start of the Government's five-month-long consultation in Birmingham tomorrow night by lighting more than 50 beacons along the proposed line. One will be lit in David Cameron's constituency in Witney.

The Transport Secretary insists the project has the potential to generate billions of pounds for the economy and transform northern cities that have suffered for decades from underinvestment and detachment from the capital.

"It would help regenerate our inner cities, provide thousands of jobs constructing and operating the new lines, and help us develop our world-class engineering sector," he writes, warning that ignoring the problem of overcrowding is "simply not an option".

According to Mr Hammond, without a major expansion in capacity, more people will turn to air flights or car journeys, leading to increased carbon emissions. The Government also claims the line will create an extra 40,000 jobs.

Once fully operational, the high-speed line will cut journey times from London to Birmingham to 49 minutes, while Manchester will be a 73-minute trip and Leeds 80 minutes. With growing numbers travelling by train, several routes are already running at close to capacity. The new line would run 14 trains an hour, each with 1,000 seats. 

"Ignoring the problem is simply not an option," Mr Hammond writes. "Severe overcrowding would spread throughout the day, and the reliability of the network would deteriorate."

Ministers acknowledge privately that high-profile, vocal opposition to the plans – centred on picturesque villages and fronted by well-spoken Home Counties campaigners – risks casting a shadow over the vast scheme. It follows the termination of plans to sell forests after a public backlash and a high-profile campaign backed by celebrities, environmentalists and even the Archbishop of Canterbury. Already half of the proposed route for the high-speed line has been altered to take account of early objections.

Historic properties that will be adversely affected by the route include Hartwell House in Buckinghamshire, owned by the National Trust. The Grade I-listed property was first mentioned in the Domesday Book and belonged to an illegitimate son of William the Conqueror. Another building to have the peace and tranquillity it has enjoyed for centuries shattered is Grade I-listed Stoneleigh Abbey in Warwickshire, founded in 1154.

But it's not only the campaigners' vociferous opposition the Government should fear. 

There have been deep rumblings from within the coalition, as the proposed 250mph route will carve through the constituencies of no fewer than 16 Tory MPs. Several are lobbying against the proposals on behalf of their constituents, including John Bercow, the Speaker of the House, and Cheryl Gillan, the Secretary of State for Wales.

David Lidington, Conservative MP for Aylesbury and minister for Europe, said he would vote against the plans in Parliament, even if it meant losing his ministerial job. Other Conservative MPs, such as Steve Baker, MP for Wycombe, and Iain Stewart, MP for Milton Keynes South, have voiced concern. Mr Stewart said: "We run the risk of an enormous and costly error in this country if we do not get the details right."

Earlier this month, Labour said it may shelve the plans for the high-speed rail network if it wins the next election in 2015, as the party stressed it might not be able to find funding for the project. The Shadow Transport Secretary, Maria Eagle, said: "It would be irresponsible to make cast-iron spending commitments for beyond 2015 before we have listened to the public and come to conclusions about our future priorities."

Launching one of the country's largest ever public consultations tomorrow, first in Birmingham and later in Manchester, Mr Hammond will attempt to refocus attention on the substantial economic benefits. A series of regional seminars and roadshows is planned to make the case for the new line to communities in the main destination towns and cities and those along the route.

Since the plans for the HS2 network were first announced, action groups have sprung up throughout many of the affected parts of the country, and they are gaining strength. Campaigners – with no shortage of money – have signed up to Quiller, a Westminster consultancy, for strategic advice. Many legal experts who helped to put paid to Heathrow's third runway are also involved with the "anti" campaign. A spokesman for the HS2 Action Alliance said the group would continue to heap pressure on the Government, and will protest at the consultation tomorrow with a large white elephant.

"Nothing the Government can do or say can get round the fact that this project is a multibillion-pound white elephant that will cost Britain billions and get us nowhere," the spokesman said.

"Ministers admit that you'd have to build the entire project – not just to Birmingham – before even they can find a case for going ahead.

"Weeks before people's taxes are about to go up again, and at a time of massive spending cuts, people will justifiably ask, 'Haven't they better ways to spend our money?'"
Quotes...
Professor John Whitelegg
Green Party
"The high-speed rail is socially regressive. High-speed rail is the preserve of relatively wealthy people who rush backwards and forwards to London."
Richard Hebditch
Campaign for Better Transport
"We're very worried that ministers will need to cut budgets elsewhere to pay for HS2. That could mean even steeper fare rises and cuts in local rail services."
Chris Kelly
Midlands Industrial Council
"They are talking about spending countless billions of pounds on a rail link when our roads are in absolutely dire straits."
Lewis Garfield
Conservative Party donor
"Even if I lived in Scotland I would be fuming that they are spending £30bn on what is a politician's vanity parade."
Ron Walton
Cubbington Action Group
"If HS2 goes ahead as planned, much of [Cubbington] woods will be lost. This is ancient woodland that predates 1600. It's impossible to estimate how much of the wood would survive."
Jerry Marshall
Action Groups Against High Speed Two
"I am concerned that the Government is throwing away our money on what is basically a vanity project."
Lichfield Action Group
"The business and environmental cases have been proved to be a sham and, at a time of unprecedented cuts in public services, spending £1,250 for every household in Britain on a vanity project is the wrong priority."
Mark Barton
Villages of Oxfordshire Opposing HS2
"The biggest issue for us is going to be noise. There are no figures saying exactly how loud these trains are going to be, but it's going to have a major impact."
Ian Waddell
Middleton Action Group Against HS2
"Warwickshire will suffer the most blight of any area in the country, and receive none of the alleged benefits of HS2."
Alan Seeds
South Northants Action Group Against HS2
"Mr Hammond chose to make those really quite insulting remarks about Nimbyism, and in a way I think he has actually shot himself in the foot."
Lizzy Williams
Stop HS2
"People don't understand that the scale of HS2 is so overwhelming. This is going to affect us for thousands of years."

An essay from the "Political Pulse" blog about High-Speed Rail


Here is a very thoughtful blog essay about high-speed rail that popped up during a Google search.  The blog is called "Political Pulse" and apparently covers a wide variety of topics.

Whoever writes this, judging by this particular essay, is doing a great job.
Congratulations on contibuting meaningfully to the HSR debate.

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Thursday, February 10, 2011
High Speed Rail, No Thank You

News has broken that President Obama wants to ask Congress for 53 billion dollars for high-speed rail lines across the US. This money would be spent over the course of the next 5 years on projects across the country to get a start on the infrastructure of a high-speed rail system. Not only is this a huge waste of money but the US is not built for a system like this the way China and Europe are.

High-speed rail in China and Europe are highly successful for a reason. The reason it is successful in those places and would be a complete waste of money here is the same reason why public transportation systems such as subways, buses, etc. are highly successful there and are not here in the US. That reason is population density. The population of China is 4 times that the amount of the US with the same amount of land. China also has 160 cities with a population of over 1 million people, the US has a total of 9. Europe has 200 million more people then the US in a land area half the size. High-speed rail works in those regions because people are closely packed in together. Not only that, and especially in Europe their public transportation systems are so developed that having high-speed rail only enhances their transportation infrastructure. 

The problem in the US is that we are far too spread out for a public transportation to work effectively and too spread out for a high-speed rail system. It is precisely why Americans drive cars more than any other country in the world. Not because we have more money but the places we need to go are too far from public transportation hubs. Without major densely populated areas to feed people into, basic public transportation is rendered fairly useless.

Building A high-speed rail system here would be a large drain on the US taxpayers for all the initial costs but also for the long term maintenance costs as well. All while not improving our transportation needs. Now I know many critics of projects like this that are said to cost too much just have reasons why they won't work or why they are no good without offering any alternative solutions. I am not one of those people. I love to offer what would be a more effective use of our tax dollars that would actually improve our transportation and infrastructure issues.

The thing that has separated America from the rest of the world regarding transportation is the amount of space we have. We are vastly more spread out in our country then anywhere else. We enjoy the freedoms of being able to travel everywhere within our country and over 50 years ago we came up with a solution that was uniquely American, the interstate highway system. It has allowed our country to expand in ways we could not even dream of before it was built. We should not lose hope in that system. 

We need to invest the money in smarter roads that flow traffic in and out of our cities more fluidly, we need to invest in smart car technology that allows cars to travel at high rates of speed and communicate with each other, and we need to invest in more technology in regular rail to move more cargo by train. By investing in our freight lines we can pull trucks off the roads and limit congestion created by them. The time has come to get as many of the cargo trucks off our roads as possible. By investing in technology that improves the flow of traffic on our interstate system we will improve efficiency of our commerce, decrease the carbon footprint of our vast system, and increase productivity of our workers because they won't be sitting in traffic for hours wasted every year.

All of these things can be accomplished with the money we would put to high-speed rail, frankly a project that won't be guaranteed to be used effectively enough throughout the country to benefit most Americans. Do I think high-speed rail could work one day in America? Of course, when we have far more densely populated cities. In fact, on a limited basis I think the one place we could use a high-speed rail line is from Boston to Washington DC. That is the one corridor of our country where there are 5 or 6 densely populated cities within range of each other where it would be beneficial to have a line. Have a major hub in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and finally in DC. That makes sense, the problem is that we don't have many population centers close to enough together like that for a the system to be effective.

When proposing policy for our country it needs to make sense for us as Americans. We can't assume because something works in other parts of the world that it will automatically work here. We need to do what is best for us as a nation. Investing in better technology for our roads, our cars, and our heavy rail is the best solution for us as Americans. It may not work for China, but we are not them and they are not us. Should we want high-speed rail? I say no thank you. 

Much Ado about Nothing: The Harris Poll on High-Speed Rail


Let's take a look at the recent Harris Poll on high-speed rail.  While they found that "most Americans are unaware of high-speed rail" most of those Americans also favor it.  Huh?

These 'loaded-dice' polls are favorites of the CHSRA and other pro-HSR organizations.  They "prove" that most of us are desperate to have it, regardless of costs.  

Yet, with only a little digging, we find that these polls are nothing more than "push-polls." That is, they ask loaded questions that rig the answers to be favorable to what they want as the outcome.

This Harris poll is no exception. 
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Most Americans unaware of high-speed rail
02/24/11
A new poll shows only a third of Americans are aware of their states' high-speed rail projects, such as the Connecticut proposal for express rail from New Haven to Springfield as part of the bigger northern New England corridor.

The Harris Interactive poll conducted Jan. 17-24 shows 66 percent of Americans are likely to consider using high-speed rail when traveling for pleasure and 33 percent would use it to travel for business.

The low awareness of proposed projects in their state - 35 percent -- shows rail only generates interest in places with visible projects, such as California and Florida, said Linda Schulz, vice president of public affairs and policy at Harris Interactive.

"The relatively low awareness of high-speed rail across the country is not surprising given the disparate, regional nature of today's hottest HSR debates," Schultz said in a statement. "However, as discussions become more prominent in more areas, and as projects get underway, we will be well positioned to monitor changing awareness and attitudes."

The poll showed people would choose high-speed rail depending on cost, location of train station, overall trip time and safety.

Connecticut's proposed line would link the state's major population centers of New Haven and Hartford while linking to nearby states, such as New York and Massachusetts. The New England corridor plans call for links to New York City, Boston and Montreal.
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Below is the Harris International Press Release for this Poll.  It also includes some of the actual questions and the data it produced.  With all due respect for Linda Schulz, with whom I spoke, I find this poll highly biased in favor of high-speed rail and the results of these questions not unexpected, given the questions. 

Smart and pleasant, Linda did acknowledge that she had a strong interest in high-speed rail, and I can only presume from the polling questions asked, that her interest is biased to be highly favorable to high-speed rail. In response to my question about sponsorship of this particular poll, she answered that it was supported internally, with no outside funding.

Here is the first question: 

"High-speed rail is a type of passenger rail transport between major cities that operates at substantially faster speeds than current intercity passenger trains in the U.S.  High-speed rail is designed to provide fast, reliable, and convenient service between select major cities.  It operates using electric power and often includes onboard amenities such as food and beverage service and Wi-fi access.  Do you know if high-speed passenger rail service is being proposed or under development in your state?"

That's the base-line question upon which all the other questions depend, since that question defines what the topic is. It's like asking, "Here is a delicious apple. It tastes great and is good for you. Do you know about apples?"  And the next question is a follow-up: "If it was paid for by the government, would you want one?"  And, finally, if you were asked, "If you were given an apple as described here, would you eat it?" How would you answer that question?  

Here's that next question:  

"Development of the intercity passenger rail system is paid for by both Federal and state governments, similar to how most other infrastructure projects are funded. Currently the Federal Government is offering funds to the states for high-speed rail projects.  Knowing this, how do you feel about state and federal funds being used for High-speed Rail?"

What do you make of this question?  I read it as intimating that we, the taxpayers, don't have to pay to build it or pay to operate it.  The question sounds like this train will be free since it is paid for by the government, state and/or federal.  The inference is that since someone else is paying for this train, not us, what's not to like?

As you read through these questions and the results, it turns out that the most educated in their sample like the train the most.  That's because they correlate positively with the higher income and probably have HSR train travel experience in Europe or Asia.  Again, what's not to like?   In addition, the higher income cohort has the wherewithal to pay for the train tickets, which are the most expensive for this mode of travel.  Those in the lower income or education brackets have less remunerative jobs and are the least likely to be the train riders.  

This study, then, makes one compelling point that tends to be over-looked.  We've said it often.  High-speed rail is for rich people, not poor people. It's a luxury ride for the well to do.  It's the premium way to travel by rail.  Is this something that our governments -- state and federal -- need to pay for and subsequently subsidize?  I don't think so!  In fact, it's outrageous that our elected officials have no qualms about promoting this fancy train as a government hand-out to the upper classes.  What are they thinking!!

However, among those who are well educated and well to do, you would think that business is the more compelling basis for HSR travel, but that's not the case.  Business travellers are frequent flyers.  They should be the heart of this industry's customer base.  But they aren't.  Tourism or recreational travel are a more compelling reason for taking this train.  And that's hardly a business model.  

HSR isn't like the cruise lines, where "getting there" is the entire purpose of the trip.  100%  of those choosing a cruise ship want to take a cruise ship voyage, by definition.  But that's not the case for recreational train trips, where there are multiple choices of transit and where, as the respondents pointed out, cost is the most important factor.  If the other modalities were less expensive, those would be chosen instead.  

And, we can predict on the basis of the current HSR market elsewhere that the train ticket is far costlier than flying and driving.  Remember, cars need to be rented at the other end of the train ride also.  In other words, if the California train from San Francisco to Anaheim is nothing more than the Disneyland Express, then why the hell isn't Disney building it?

Without flogging this issue to death, let's just say that those HSR advocates who see this poll as a total endorsement for this HSR project are indulging in self-delusion.  So far, there have been no authentic, dispassionate, independent and bias-free polls on this topic, and this Harris poll is no exception.  It's rigged in favor; it's a "push-poll" like all the others. 
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More Than a Third of Americans Aware of High Speed Rail Projects in Their State

NEW YORK, Feb. 24, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- President Obama announced in April 2009, and reconfirmed during his recent State of the Union address, his commitment to develop high-speed intercity passenger rail across the United States.


High-speed rail is a type of passenger rail transport between major cities that operates at substantially faster speeds than current intercity passenger trains in the U.S. It is designed to provide fast, reliable, and convenient service, operates using electric power and often includes onboard amenities such as food and beverage service and Wi-fi access.

The Harris Poll conducted an online survey among 2,566 adults between January 17 and 24, 2011 to gauge awareness, intention to use and position on funding for high-speed rail. At the time of the survey, there were ten proposed high-speed rail corridors across the United States(a). To-date, projects in California and Florida have been the most visible.

When Americans were asked about awareness of high-speed rail projects, only a little more than a third (35%) of those living in one of the proposed high-speed rail corridors said they are aware of a high-speed rail project that is either proposed or under development in their state, with more than four in ten (45%) unsure. "The relatively low awareness of high-speed rail across the country is not surprising given the disparate, regional nature of today's hottest HSR debates," said Linda Schulz, Vice President of Public Affairs and Policy at Harris Interactive. "However, as discussions become more prominent in more areas, and as projects get underway, we will be well positioned to monitor changing awareness and attitudes." Not surprisingly, awareness is highest in states where HSR is developing the fastest (68% are aware in California corridor, 60% in Florida). Awareness in other states with proposed high-speed rail projects include the Chicago Hub at 31% and New York at 28%.

After explaining HSR, two thirds of Americans (66%) indicate they are somewhat or very likely to consider using the service when traveling for pleasure, but that number drops in half (33%) when asked about travel for business. Men, however, are more likely to consider HSR travel than women for both business and pleasure. Additionally, those with more education and greater income are also more likely to consider traveling by high-speed rail.

Factors in Choosing High-speed Rail
There are many factors that may impact the use of high-speed rail, but cost (81%), location of train stations (68%), overall trip time (65%) and safety (61%) are the primary factors that people would consider before choosing to utilize high-speed rail. Both cost and safety are especially important to women compared to men.

Funding High-speed Rail
A very public issue surrounding high-speed rail today is funding. Several states have declined the use of federal funds including Ohio, Wisconsin and most recently Florida (this survey was conducted before Florida declined funding). However, almost two thirds of Americans (64%) say they somewhat or strongly support using state funding for HSR and a similar number (62%) support using federal funds. The areas with the greatest support for high-speed rail funding include the California corridor where 70% support state funding being used and 73% support federal funding. 70% of both the Pacific North West and Gulf corridor residents also support state funding with more than 60% each also supporting federal funding. Additionally, more than two thirds of Florida residents support state and federal funding of high-speed rail, "a particularly poignant point", notes Schulz, as Florida recently declined federal HSR funding the state had actively sought. While those in states without a high-speed rail project still support state funding (61%), they are more likely to oppose federal funding for these projects (32%).

So What?
With the relatively steep prices and the time consuming security processes associated with current airline travel, and increases in the cost of gasoline affecting highway travel, American consumers may be looking for a travel alternative. While many of them are not aware of high-speed rail plans, on balance they support using government funds to develop high-speed rail projects, yet time will tell how many of these projects successfully get underway, and how many Americans then take advantage of them. Of course, it should also be noted, this has become a highly politicized issue with Republicans, Democrats and Independents expressing varying levels of support for the development and allocation of funds to HSR.

                                           TABLE 1
                                       AWARENESS OF HSR

    "High-speed rail is a type of passenger rail transport between major
    cities that operates at substantially faster speeds than current
    intercity passenger trains in the U.S.  High-speed rail is designed
    to provide fast, reliable, and convenient service between select
    major cities.  It operates using electric power and often includes
    onboard amenities such as food and beverage service and Wi-fi
    access.  Do you know if high-speed passenger rail service is being
    proposed or under development in your state?"

    Base: All adults
                                     HSR Corridors (states included in
                                         each listed below) (ª)
                             States
                              with
                               HSR
                            projects
                      Total
                                      South-        Pacific    South   Gulf
                                      east    CA       NW     Central  Coast
                        %      %        %      %       %         %      %
    Yes, one is
     proposed or
     under
     development
     (NET)               33       35      21   68        25        12     25
         Yes, one is
          proposed       25       26      17   48        11        12     16
         Yes, one is
          under
          development     8        9       4   20        14      *         9
    No, one is
     not
     proposed
     nor under
     development         22       20      22    5        28        34     28
    Not at all
     sure                44       45      57   27        47        54     46




                       HSR Corridors (states included in
                            each listed below) (ª)
                                         Key-
                        Chicago         stone    Empire   North.
                          Hub    FL      (PA)    (NY)       NE
                          %       %       %        %        %
    Yes, one is
     proposed or
     under
     development
     (NET)                   31   60        24       28       25
         Yes, one is
          proposed           25   50        20       17       22
         Yes, one is
          under
          development         6   10         4       11        3
    No, one is
     not
     proposed
     nor under
     development             26    3        15       18       21
    Not at all
     sure                    43   37        61       53       54

    Note: Percentages may not add up to 100% due to rounding; * indicates
    less than .05%




(a) 10 High Speed Rail Corridors - South East Corridor (Washington DC, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia and South Carolina), California Corridor (California & Nevada), Pacific North West Corridor (Washington & Oregon), South central Corridor (Oklahoma and Arkansas), Gulf Coast Corridor (Texas Louisiana & Alabama), Chicago Hub (Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Minnesota), Florida Corridor (Florida), Keystone Corridor (Pennsylvania) Empire Corridor (New York) and Northern New England Corridor (Massachusetts, Main, Connecticut).

Other States Impacted by High Speed Rail - Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island and Tennessee.

NON-High Speed Rail States - Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming.


                                             TABLE 2A
                                  FUNDING FOR HSR - STATE FUNDING

    "Development of the intercity passenger rail system is paid for by
    both Federal and state governments, similar to how most other
    infrastructure projects are funded.  Operating costs are the
    responsibility of each state and/or the private sector.  Currently
    the Federal Government is offering funds to the states for high-
    speed rail projects.  Knowing this, how do you feel about state and
    federal funds being used for High-speed Rail?"
    State funding
    Base: All adults
                         States  States with
                  Total   with       no         HSR Corridors
                           HSR       HSR
                        projects  projects
                                             South-        Pacific  South
                                             east    CA       NW   Central
                    %      %         %         %      %       %       %
    Support
     (NET)           64       63          61     64   70        70      64
         Strongly
          support    31       29          26     34   35        24      16
         Somewhat
          support    33       33          35     30   35        46      49
    Oppose
     (NET)           21       22          25     20   21        16      15
         Somewhat
          oppose     11       11          18     12    8        11       7
         Strongly
          oppose     11       11           7      8   13         6       7
    Not at
     all sure        15       16          14     16    9        13      21




                               HSR Corridors
                    Gulf                  Key-            North.
                    Coast  Chicago  FL    stone  Empire     NE
                     %        %      %     %        %       %
    Support
     (NET)             70       55   67      55      57       57
         Strongly
          support      35       24   32      28      34       19
         Somewhat
          support      35       32   35      28      23       38
    Oppose
     (NET)             17       25   21      24      26       29
         Somewhat
          oppose        8       11   11      16      13       23
         Strongly
          oppose       10       14   10       8      14        6
    Not at
     all sure          13       20   12      21      17       15





                                Total    Political Party
                                       Rep.  Dem.   Ind.
                                  %      %     %      %
    Support (NET)                  64    52     74    66
         Strongly support          31    18     43    28
         Somewhat support          33    34     31    39
    Oppose (NET)                   21    35     12    21
         Somewhat oppose           11    17      7    10
         Strongly oppose           11    18      5    11
         ---------------          ---   ---    ---   ---
    Not at all sure                15    13     13    13
    ---------------               ---   ---    ---   ---

    Note: Percentages may not add up to 100% due to rounding





                                               TABLE 2B
                                  FUNDING FOR HSR - FEDERAL FUNDING

    "Development of the intercity passenger rail system is paid for by
    both Federal and state governments, similar to how most other
    infrastructure projects are funded.  Operating costs are the
    responsibility of each state and/or the private sector.  Currently
    the Federal Government is offering funds to the states for high-
    speed rail projects.  Knowing this, how do you feel about state and
    federal funds being used for High-speed Rail?"
    Federal funding
    Base: All adults
                         States  States with
                  Total   with       no         HSR Corridors
                           HSR       HSR
                        projects  projects
                                             South-        Pacific  South
                                             east    CA       NW   Central
                    %      %         %         %      %       %       %
    Support
     (NET)           62       62          53     60   73        63      64
         Strongly
          support    31       29          17     32   41        21      19
         Somewhat
          support    32       32          36     28   32        42      44
    Oppose
     (NET)           23       23          32     24   18        24      18
         Somewhat
          oppose     11       11          19     12    7        19      12
         Strongly
          oppose     12       12          13     13   12         5       6
    Not at all
     sure            15       15          14     16    9        13      18




                               HSR Corridors
                    Gulf                  Key-            North.
                    Coast  Chicago  FL    stone  Empire     NE
                     %        %      %     %        %       %
    Support
     (NET)             66       57   66      47      59       56
         Strongly
          support      32       25   32      24      32       21
         Somewhat
          support      34       32   34      24      27       35
    Oppose
     (NET)             21       24   22      31      24       30
         Somewhat
          oppose        9       10   10      16      12       23
         Strongly
          oppose       12       14   12      15      12        7
    Not at all
     sure              13       19   12      22      17       14




                                 Total    Political Party
                                        Rep.  Dem.   Ind.
                                   %      %     %      %
    Support (NET)                   62    50     75    63
         Strongly support           31    17     43    29
         Somewhat support           32    32     32    34
    Oppose (NET)                    23    38     12    24
         Somewhat oppose            11    16      8    12
         Strongly oppose            12    21      4    12
         ---------------           ---   ---    ---   ---
    Not at all sure                 15    13     13    13
    ---------------                ---   ---    ---   ---

    Note: Percentages may not add up to 100% due to rounding


                                           TABLE 3A
                               LIKELY TO USE HSR - FOR BUSINESS

    "Based on your understanding of high-speed rail service, if it were
    available, how likely are you to use this service for the following
    types of travel?"
    Travel for business
    Base: All adults
                      Total      Gender                 Education
                                            H.S. or    Some     College   Post
                             Male  Female    less     college    grad     grad
                        %      %      %       %          %         %       %
    Likely (NET)         33    39      27        23        35        43     52
         Very likely     18    22      14        13        17        21     35
         Somewhat
          likely         15    18      13        10        18        22     17
    Unlikely
     (NET)               57    51      63        65        55        51     41
         Not that
          likely         11    12      11         9        12        15     13
         Not at all
          likely         46    39      53        57        43        35     28
    Not at all
     sure                10    10      10        11        10         7      7




                                             Income
                     $34.9K or less $35K-$49.9K $50K-$74.9K $75K-$99.9K $100K+
                            %             %           %           %        %
    Likely (NET)                 28          23          42          30     43
         Very likely             13           9          26          17     25
         Somewhat
          likely                 15          14          15          13     18
    Unlikely
     (NET)                       61          68          47          60     51
         Not that
          likely                  7          14           8          13     16
         Not at all
          likely                 54          54          38          47     35
    Not at all
     sure                        11           9          12          10      6

    Note: Percentages may not add up to 100% due to rounding



                                           TABLE 3B
                               LIKELY TO USE HSR - FOR PLEASURE

    "Based on your understanding of high-speed rail service, if it were
    available, how likely are you to use this service for the following
    types of travel?"
    Travel for pleasure
    Base: All adults
                      Total      Gender                 Education
                                            H.S. or    Some     College   Post
                             Male  Female    less     college    grad     grad
                        %      %      %       %          %         %       %
    Likely (NET)         66    69      63        55        72        75     81
         Very likely     37    40      34        28        41        40     53
         Somewhat
          likely         30    29      30        27        31        35     28
    Unlikely
     (NET)               27    24      29        35        22        21     14
         Not that
          likely         10     9      10        11         9        10      7
         Not at all
          likely         17    15      18        25        13        10      7
    Not at all
     sure                 7     6       8        10         6         5      5




                                             Income
                     $34.9K or less $35K-$49.9K $50K-$74.9K $75K-$99.9K $100K+
                            %             %           %           %        %
    Likely (NET)                 59          64          71          65     74
         Very likely             28          35          43          39     46
         Somewhat
          likely                 32          29          28          26     28
    Unlikely
     (NET)                       30          29          22          28     22
         Not that
          likely                  8          10           8          14     10
         Not at all
          likely                 22          19          14          13     12
    Not at all
     sure                        10           7           7           7      4

    Note: Percentages may not add up to 100% due to rounding


                                   TABLE 4
                            FACTORS IN USING HSR

    "If you were making travel decisions and high-speed rail was an
    option, what factors would you consider
    when deciding whether or not to purchase?"

    Base: All adults
                                                        Total        Gender
                                                                Male   Female
                                                           %      %       %
    Cost/affordability                                      81     79      84
    Convenience of train station locations                  68     66      70
    Overall trip time                                       65     65      65
    Safety                                                  61     56      65
    Reliability                                             58     58      59
    Comfort, including seat and mobility options            57     56      59
    Efficiency of security check/process                    37     34      39
    Amenities offered (cell phone use, WiFi, etc)           33     33      32
    Environmental impact                                    23     21      25
    Other                                                    2      2       2
    Not sure                                                 9      8      10

    Note: Percentages may not add up to 100% due to rounding


Methodology
This Harris Poll was conducted online within the United States between January 17 to 24, 2011 among 2,566 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents' propensity to be online.

All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.

Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated.

These statements conform to the principles of disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.

The results of this Harris Poll may not be used in advertising, marketing or promotion without the prior written permission of Harris Interactive.

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The Harris Poll® #24, February 24, 2011
By Linda Schulz, Vice President, Public Affairs, Harris Interactive

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